I recently started listening to podcasts on my way to work in the morning, and I have fallen in love with everything on Girlboss Media. Their podcasts are perfectly tailored for the working woman who is looking for some positivity and motivation on her morning drive. All of these programs are incredible, but one, in particular, has been truly moving for me: Jen Gotch is Okay… Sometimes.

Jen Gotch is the founder and CCO of Ban.do, a lifestyle company that creates all things fun and playful. From planners to tee shirts to coffee mugs, this brand creates everything you need if you love color and whimsy. She has recently been featured in Forbes for her badass female leadership and her efforts to bring mental illness and mental health to the forefront.

Her podcast, JGOK, as she calls it, talks about Jen’s mental health and her experiences navigating her depression and anxiety. It is a very open and vulnerable discussion about her good days, her bad days, and everything in between. The topics range every week, but mostly focus on how we can all begin to feel better and not let our mental illness weigh our lives down.

As someone who has struggled with anxiety and feeling like I am good enough, this podcast has helped me put things in perspective. Her episode titled “The MYTH of Perfection” was, dare I say, life-changing. Jen is that positive affirmation that we all need, telling us that everything will be okay and that happiness is not always a straight line. She is not trying to be a typical self-help guru who simply tells us that all we need to do is think happy thoughts and then we’ll be happy. She’s very real and explains the small steps we can take to feel better, and take everything one day at a time.

Mental health is so important, and many of us do not recognize its importance enough. More and more people are beginning to be open and candid about their mental illness. The more we talk about it, the more normal it will become, and the more we can all help each other. JGOK shows us that it’s okay to be not okay. We all have bad days. The goal is not to eliminate the bad days, but rather to learn how to create more good days.

You can listen to JGOK on Girlboss Media, or wherever you listen to podcasts.